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i saw a picture of john boehner, this cartoon holdingter, john ehner the football and saying to me."a "trust >> there was an election on november 6 and the democrats did the parade who gis here? -- did not do that at e. who gives here? >> everybody has to giveve. >> it is true. of cannot tax your way out cannot slash you out of this get debt. you have to do both. >> gradually. >>>> the president seems to be deal -- a two-for-one every $1 of tax increase, he expenses by $2. . 1-2-3on-bowles had a ratio. republicans want zero. >> the business community does want us to go over the cliff. >> if he uses different -- orage, whether their republicans amenable to an increase in taxes -- >> use the word "revenue." >> you have e an nancy pelosi taking the position that it $1 million, not $250,000. said make itas $500,000. movement ise the going to come. >> we are nibbling at the edges. know, but that is where comes.ement >> i is there a deal behind clod doors that that we don't know about? i don't think so. posturing at this point. >> the tea party is not as was.g as it the memberswho came bac
i saw a picture of john boehner, this cartoon holdingter, john ehner the football and saying to me."a "trust >> there was an election on november 6 and the democrats did the parade who gis here? -- did not do that at e. who gives here? >> everybody has to giveve. >> it is true. of cannot tax your way out cannot slash you out of this get debt. you have to do both. >> gradually. >>>> the president seems to be deal -- a two-for-one every $1 of tax...
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speaker boehner all recent days been saying all the right things. it's interesting that today the president didn't really move an inch toward the republicans and speaker boehner had some comments that suggested he is not ready to move towards the president. take a listen thrrvettle are ways to put revenue on the table without increasing tax rates. we have talked about this now for over a year. you could -- there is all kinds of information and data out there. but, getting into the specifics of that at this point would not be conducive to trying to come to an agreement with the white house. >> so the bottom line is that neither side has -- president at his news conference today or john boehner in his conference have gotten into the tough specifics about what's going to happen to taxes, what's going to happen in terms of spending cuts to try to get a big debt cut maybe up to $4 trillion to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff. the president is having leaders in both parties here at the white house on friday. that's when they should start hashing all this
speaker boehner all recent days been saying all the right things. it's interesting that today the president didn't really move an inch toward the republicans and speaker boehner had some comments that suggested he is not ready to move towards the president. take a listen thrrvettle are ways to put revenue on the table without increasing tax rates. we have talked about this now for over a year. you could -- there is all kinds of information and data out there. but, getting into the specifics of...
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you know, when john boehner appears, they say are you willing to accept higher rates. no one says what are you going to do about entitlements or anything, there's no question of the president whether he will compromise and what that would look like. >> paul: steve, what do you think the republicans ought to do here? is there a way out for them or are they going to be pushed back into a corner where they have no choice, but to concede that they have to raise tax rates or else go over the cliff and get blamed for that? >> well, it's a tough situation for them. there's no question about it because as you know, the default position, if we don't do anything is for the taxes to go up on everybody on january 1st, and that's something i think both sides want to avoid. it's very interesting, the thing that happened this week to start the week, was who was the first person that barack obama met with in the white house since his election, the labor unions, the labor block, that tells a lot who is driving policy at least at the start of the second term? and the labor unions basica
you know, when john boehner appears, they say are you willing to accept higher rates. no one says what are you going to do about entitlements or anything, there's no question of the president whether he will compromise and what that would look like. >> paul: steve, what do you think the republicans ought to do here? is there a way out for them or are they going to be pushed back into a corner where they have no choice, but to concede that they have to raise tax rates or else go over the...
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boehner has been ee re-elec. what about mitch mcconnell. he sounds as object strucktive as he has over the last four years. what's going to happen to him? >> i went to his photo op yesterday where he unveiled new members of the republican freshman class. they could have had that in a broom closet because there were only three of them and they were sitting there nodding their heads and grinning for the cameras. is he going to play the bad cop here. i mean, boehner at some point is going to be in a position of actually having to lead. mcconnell can still be, because he's in the minority, can still be -- well, he can't make it his top priority to defeat obama but he can make it a top priority to defeat all of obama's policies. >> wouldn't it be great if they actually worked together? >> it's important to keep in mind john boehner is an old school guy willing to cut deals and be reasonable and compromise. now, the question is whether or not with eric cantor and the rest of the leadership kind of eyeing him how far he'll be able to go. but boehn
boehner has been ee re-elec. what about mitch mcconnell. he sounds as object strucktive as he has over the last four years. what's going to happen to him? >> i went to his photo op yesterday where he unveiled new members of the republican freshman class. they could have had that in a broom closet because there were only three of them and they were sitting there nodding their heads and grinning for the cameras. is he going to play the bad cop here. i mean, boehner at some point is going to...
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. >> president obama and house leader john boehner before him sounding somewhat positive on working out a plan to divert the fiscal cliff. they met in person at the white house on friday, along with house minority leader nancy pelosi and senate majority leader harry reid and minority leader senator mitch mcconnell. jeff, it seems like the media are poised to blame republicans if the deal falls apart. >> if you look at the polling, over half the country believes it's the g.o.p.'s fault if this deal falls apart. why that? the democrats and the president himself have done an effective job of essentially trashing republicans saying that this whole, the reason that there's a, you know, there isn't a deal in the first place, because it's their fault and that's not true. it's both parties that did this and the president particularly not showing leadership and kicking the can down the road and creating a super committee. the media is not covering this correctly at all. reporting that the president want a deficit package. 1 trillion from tending the war and that's going to happen and another tri
. >> president obama and house leader john boehner before him sounding somewhat positive on working out a plan to divert the fiscal cliff. they met in person at the white house on friday, along with house minority leader nancy pelosi and senate majority leader harry reid and minority leader senator mitch mcconnell. jeff, it seems like the media are poised to blame republicans if the deal falls apart. >> if you look at the polling, over half the country believes it's the g.o.p.'s...
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by the way, boehner's word to go mert after the word, louie, i love you, too. after the election, we heard certain ceos were threatening to fire employees if president obama wob the election. some are going through with it. bobt murray, ceo of the coal company laid off 156 employees the day after the election. john schneider ceo the papa john's pizza says he will be cutting employee hours to avoid costs associated with obama care. finally, john met, ceo of several denny's franchises says he will add a 5% surcharge to customers' bills to offset the cost of obama care. you don't want to pay extra, he said tip the server less to offset the cost. what a sweetheart. >>> up next, new information on the affair that brought down cia director david petraeus. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. [ male announcer ] when was the last time something made your jaw drop? campbell's has 24 new soups that will make it drop over, and over again. ♪ from jammin' jerk chicken, to creamy gouda bisque. see what's new from campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do. >>
by the way, boehner's word to go mert after the word, louie, i love you, too. after the election, we heard certain ceos were threatening to fire employees if president obama wob the election. some are going through with it. bobt murray, ceo of the coal company laid off 156 employees the day after the election. john schneider ceo the papa john's pizza says he will be cutting employee hours to avoid costs associated with obama care. finally, john met, ceo of several denny's franchises says he...
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that's the problem boehner had. if boehner had 35 safe republicans, safe from a primary challenge, safe from somebody from the right on taxes, i think this deal would have happened even a lot sooner. they might have gone ahead and passed parts of -- most of that bill that came through the senate. >> they have to schedule -- the thing about leadership is they have to schedule a bill. that's the tricky part. let's take a look at this. a very interesting moment in the press conference today, extremely interesting when president obama was asked about comments from his former opponent, john mccain, who made some nasty comments about susan rice, the united states ambassador to the u.n. and she may well be the head of the state department soon. here's the president responding in a very personal way. i thought this was really a moment here. >> let me say specifically about susan rice. she has done exemlary work. she has represented the united states and united nations with skill and professionalism and toughness and great.
that's the problem boehner had. if boehner had 35 safe republicans, safe from a primary challenge, safe from somebody from the right on taxes, i think this deal would have happened even a lot sooner. they might have gone ahead and passed parts of -- most of that bill that came through the senate. >> they have to schedule -- the thing about leadership is they have to schedule a bill. that's the tricky part. let's take a look at this. a very interesting moment in the press conference today,...
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they are the ones doing the public posturing for him. >> i think also that john boehner does not have a strong hand. he has got a caucus that has dug in its heels on any kind of compromise. i saw this picture of john boehner, this cartoon character, holding a football and saying to president obama "trust me." >> there was an election on november 6 and the democrats did not do that badly. who is here? >> everybody has got to give. >> it really is true. you cannot tax your way out of this debt, you cannot slash expenses and get out of this in debt. you have got to do both. >> somewhat gradually. >> the president seems to be offering a two-for-one deal -- for every $1 of tax increase, he will cut expenses by $2. simpson-bowles wanted a one-to-3 ratio. the republicans want zero. >> but they have the business community that does not want us to go for the cliff -- >> if you use a different language, are there republicans amenable to an increase in taxes -- >> use the word "revenue." >> nancy pelosi took the position, a good negotiating position, that it ought to be $1 million to hundred $50
they are the ones doing the public posturing for him. >> i think also that john boehner does not have a strong hand. he has got a caucus that has dug in its heels on any kind of compromise. i saw this picture of john boehner, this cartoon character, holding a football and saying to president obama "trust me." >> there was an election on november 6 and the democrats did not do that badly. who is here? >> everybody has got to give. >> it really is true. you...
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harry reid and john boehner staying put. the president back in, what people would expect musical chairs. none will happen. it's the same people in the same positions and yesterday senate majority leader mitch mcconnell took to the floor and said they won't compromise. we had that interview with paul ryan with abc's jonathan karl saying it's not a mandate. they have a divided government so they'll continue with back and forth of head butting and the taxes should not be raised on wealthiest americans. are we headed just for the same old same old once again? >> i don't think so. first of all we are very pleased about nancy pelosi remaining as leader. she's done an extraordinary job in helping to increase our numbers here on the democratic side, in raising the money that was necessary for us to strengthen our hand here in the house and so she has done such a good job that we urged her to please stay on and that experience really does count. let me just say this, there is some posturing going on and i do think that this posturing
harry reid and john boehner staying put. the president back in, what people would expect musical chairs. none will happen. it's the same people in the same positions and yesterday senate majority leader mitch mcconnell took to the floor and said they won't compromise. we had that interview with paul ryan with abc's jonathan karl saying it's not a mandate. they have a divided government so they'll continue with back and forth of head butting and the taxes should not be raised on wealthiest...
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speaker boehner says revenues are on the table but we have news for him, when it comes to hiking the taxes, democrats do plan to run the table reportedly not keen on a republican plan to only close loopholes that curb deductions to raise revenue. and democratic leaders expect that and a rate increase, a move that could conceivably send the top rate closer to 45 percent tan the 40 percent they talking about now. when you throw in added surtaxes to pay for health care, the "wall street journal" reporter says you could be look at 50 percent top rate. or more. here we go. >>reporter: that is true if the live in the state of california or someone like you would works, why know if you live in new york but you work in new york and the tax rates in new york city could go do 50 percent and california as high as 52 percent, we have not seen rates that high since the 1970's. >>neil: leave aside what will happen on health care people forget this is a lot more than just returning to the clinton top rate of 39.6 percent. it is about going well beyond that and the fact that democrats are feeling th
speaker boehner says revenues are on the table but we have news for him, when it comes to hiking the taxes, democrats do plan to run the table reportedly not keen on a republican plan to only close loopholes that curb deductions to raise revenue. and democratic leaders expect that and a rate increase, a move that could conceivably send the top rate closer to 45 percent tan the 40 percent they talking about now. when you throw in added surtaxes to pay for health care, the "wall street...
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boehner. is it any different, or is this just about, i don't know, smoke and mirrors? >> well, i think the atmosphere is certainly different as you mentioned. in the past, these guys would go back to capitol hill and put out competing statements about what went on during the meetings. you saw what happened last year during the debt ceiling negotiations. this time it was one big happy family. there certainly seems to be some sort of recognition on the part of how fed up american people with sort of the seeing this game of chicken being played at such a high stakes time. i think there is certainly, after this election, there is kind of a let's get down to business. let's see if we can get this thing done. whether that can translate -- david just said, the biggest sticking point, taxes on the wealthy is still on the table. you can sing happy birthday to john boehner as much as you want. gwen: he would still say no. >> absolutely. i think it's really premature to try to predict what is going to ha
boehner. is it any different, or is this just about, i don't know, smoke and mirrors? >> well, i think the atmosphere is certainly different as you mentioned. in the past, these guys would go back to capitol hill and put out competing statements about what went on during the meetings. you saw what happened last year during the debt ceiling negotiations. this time it was one big happy family. there certainly seems to be some sort of recognition on the part of how fed up american people...
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. >> boehner as a caucus that has dug in its heels on any kind of compromise. the picture of the john boehner, this cartoon character, holding a football, saying to president obama, "ust me it." >> you know, there was an election on november 6, and the democrats did not do that badly. who gives here? >> everybody has got to give. >> you say it and say and say, but you cannot tax your way out of this debt and you cannot slash expenses and get out of this and get rid you have got to do both. >> someone gradually. >> president seems to be offering a two-for-one deal, for every $1 of tax increase, he will cut taxes by two dollars. simpson-bowles wanted a one-to-3 ratio. publicans 10. -- republicans want zero. >> business community does not want us to go over the cliff. >> what the republicans amenable to increases in taxes -- >> use the word "revenue." >> you had nancy pelosi taking the position -- $1 million, not $250,000. john mccain has suggested make it $500,000. that is where the movement is going to come, with that number. >> is there a deal in the works behi
. >> boehner as a caucus that has dug in its heels on any kind of compromise. the picture of the john boehner, this cartoon character, holding a football, saying to president obama, "ust me it." >> you know, there was an election on november 6, and the democrats did not do that badly. who gives here? >> everybody has got to give. >> you say it and say and say, but you cannot tax your way out of this debt and you cannot slash expenses and get out of this and get...
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by the way, boehner's word to gohmert after the vote, "louie, i love you too." >>> finally this one. after the election we heard certain ceos were threatening to fire employees if president obama won the election. some are going through with it. robert murray, ceo of the coal company that ordered employees to attend a rally with mitt romney, laid off 156 employees the day after the election. nice guy. john schneider, ceo of papa john's pizza chain, says he will be cutting employee hours to avoid costs associated with obama care. finally, john metz, ceo of several denny's franchises, says he will add a 5% surcharge to customers' bills to offset the cost of obama care. you don't want to pay extra, he suggests you simply tip the server less to offset the cost. what a sweetheart. >>> up next, new information on the affair that brought down cia director david petraeus. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. now back to "hardball." >>> back to "hardball." we now know the identity of that fbi agent, that tampa socialite jill kelley reached out to after receiving suspicious e-ma
by the way, boehner's word to gohmert after the vote, "louie, i love you too." >>> finally this one. after the election we heard certain ceos were threatening to fire employees if president obama won the election. some are going through with it. robert murray, ceo of the coal company that ordered employees to attend a rally with mitt romney, laid off 156 employees the day after the election. nice guy. john schneider, ceo of papa john's pizza chain, says he will be cutting...
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boehner and his supposed mandate right now? >> well, i think that he said that the election would be a mandate, it was, and he lost. and i think that the important point about the crystal comment is that there's now a wedge in the republican party that the president needs to exploit. there's a wedge between the realist wing and the kind of fa fantasy, childish wing. the realist wing understands the president has a mandate. democrats won the presidency and the senate. we won a majority -- we won the popular vote if you add up the house races as well. look, i think it's in both parties' interest to avoid the fiscal cliff. neither of them want it for a whole host of reasons, including it will be damaging to the economy. we learned recently that president obama in august of 2011 was kind of ready to do a nixon goes to china moment on entitlements and i think that's still on the table. have real entitlement reform. on taxes it's as bill clinton said. it's simple math. spending is at 24% of gdp. taxes are at about 15% of gdp right no
boehner and his supposed mandate right now? >> well, i think that he said that the election would be a mandate, it was, and he lost. and i think that the important point about the crystal comment is that there's now a wedge in the republican party that the president needs to exploit. there's a wedge between the realist wing and the kind of fa fantasy, childish wing. the realist wing understands the president has a mandate. democrats won the presidency and the senate. we won a majority --...
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the congressional leaders, boehner, reid, pelosi, mcconnell, were optimistic but cautious about a deal. >> to show our seriousness we have put revenue on the table as long as it's accompanied by significant spending cuts. >> we have the cornerstones of being able to work something out. we're both going to have to give up some of the things that we know are a problem. >> we should have a goal in terms of how much deficit reduction. we should have a deadline before christmas. we should show some milestones of success so that confidence can build. >> we're prepared to put revenue on the table provided we fix the real problem. >> the real problem. you got that? mcconditional is all the tree stump on the lawn when you're trying to cut it. this afternoon the president held his fourth and final meetings with stakeholders, civic leaders and meshs of civic leaders. mark morel is president of the you are began league and aaron smith is co-funder of a group called noninvincibles dedicated to ensuring that young people's perspectives are accounted for in policy and economic opportunity, education,
the congressional leaders, boehner, reid, pelosi, mcconnell, were optimistic but cautious about a deal. >> to show our seriousness we have put revenue on the table as long as it's accompanied by significant spending cuts. >> we have the cornerstones of being able to work something out. we're both going to have to give up some of the things that we know are a problem. >> we should have a goal in terms of how much deficit reduction. we should have a deadline before christmas. we...
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you have john boehner suggest that maybe he's going to be the leader. you can already see them sharpening their knives for him. it seems to me and then he'll be replaced by somebody else who will be in the same position, it just seems that anybody who will try to get into some position of being rational and talking straight is going to be undermined by his own party. >> victoria, you do have some moderate republicans increasingly calling out the conservative meet i can't establishment. listen to this for example. >> the conservative followship has been pleased, exploited and lied to. >> we have the media elite in a sense on the right, they're making millions of dollars talking about all the incendiary aspects where we need solutions. >> if i were a donor, my biggest problem would be that i was laid to. the conservative media establishment, they lied to the donors. they lied to the base. they lied to everybody about how romney was ahead. >> now, victoria, can these more moderate voices at least moderate compared to the tea party, can they gain traction a
you have john boehner suggest that maybe he's going to be the leader. you can already see them sharpening their knives for him. it seems to me and then he'll be replaced by somebody else who will be in the same position, it just seems that anybody who will try to get into some position of being rational and talking straight is going to be undermined by his own party. >> victoria, you do have some moderate republicans increasingly calling out the conservative meet i can't establishment....
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listen to boehner talking. as long as he's talking about not raising tax rates, we're on a path to a deal. if he starts talking about not raising taxes, maybe we're off the track. >> all right. we'll look for keywords. thank you very much. i know we'll talk with you probably every day including the 11th hour when this is finally done. >> happy to do it. >> on lessons learned from last week's election, our first read team asks, is the independent vote overrated? what do you think? they noted that romney won the independent vote 50/45. joining me now is mark murray. you and your team don't just point to mitt romney losing. others have lost banking on the independent voter. >> when we look at a poll or exit poll, are you winning independent voters? that's seen as winning the middle of the electorate, the people who decide a presidential contest. as you alluded to, in two of the last three presidential elections, the candidate who ended up winning the independent vote ended up losing the presidential contest. john
listen to boehner talking. as long as he's talking about not raising tax rates, we're on a path to a deal. if he starts talking about not raising taxes, maybe we're off the track. >> all right. we'll look for keywords. thank you very much. i know we'll talk with you probably every day including the 11th hour when this is finally done. >> happy to do it. >> on lessons learned from last week's election, our first read team asks, is the independent vote overrated? what do you...
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. >> did anything that speaker boehner make you optimistic? was it just that urgency that you're talking about. >> well, it's the urgency but i think the spirit at the table was one of everybody wants to make the best effort to get this done. hopefully that is possible. hopefully it is possible by the middle of december so the confidence of the markets and most importantly the confidence of the consumers returns to infuse our economy with demand, which creates jobs. >> you said afterwards there would be these milestones of success. how will that work? what are the goals? are there interim goals? >> well, my suggestion was that we at some point not necessarily today decide on what our goal is in terms of the amount of deficit reduction that we can achieve, some date by which we'd like to do it, the middle of december so it doesn't take us up to christmas and milestones along the way so progress can be demonstrated we're moving in a forward direction. >> i spoke to senator michael bennet of colorado later. he said this really comes down to speak
. >> did anything that speaker boehner make you optimistic? was it just that urgency that you're talking about. >> well, it's the urgency but i think the spirit at the table was one of everybody wants to make the best effort to get this done. hopefully that is possible. hopefully it is possible by the middle of december so the confidence of the markets and most importantly the confidence of the consumers returns to infuse our economy with demand, which creates jobs. >> you...
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i want to say, tamron, that it was house speaker john boehner's birthday. president obama gave him a bottle of wine. >> kristen, you spoimed it. we were going to show that later. rats. really, kristen welker? >> caller: so, sorry. >> i have something else to ask you about. i'm just giving you grief. the civic meeting is taking place, the reverend al, the national action network, and he's meeting with civic leaders. is he prepares some on the letter r left for concessions or things they may not like that comes out of these negotiations? >> reporter: well, i think it's both. i think it's that he's trying to prepare some on the left for concessions. he's trying to build up really his strength to be able to put pressure on republicans to come to the table with him over taxes. president obama meeting with with union leaders early this week, also business leaders, so he's really trying to form a broad consensus, i think, to put pressure on republicans and democrats to get something done, to actually get something accomplished before that january 1st deadline. tam
i want to say, tamron, that it was house speaker john boehner's birthday. president obama gave him a bottle of wine. >> kristen, you spoimed it. we were going to show that later. rats. really, kristen welker? >> caller: so, sorry. >> i have something else to ask you about. i'm just giving you grief. the civic meeting is taking place, the reverend al, the national action network, and he's meeting with civic leaders. is he prepares some on the letter r left for concessions or...
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that's the struggle that john boehner's having right now. but it will further define the republican party. and if they can't come to grips with a balanced deal, where you're asking the wealthiest in the country, who have made so much money over the last decade, then that really shows what kind of party they are. and this is about the values that we hold as americans, ed. this is not about numbers. this is about values. >> well, you know, when you look at the way this is setting up, this has got a lot of 2014 talk to it already. i mean, these republicans are going to have to go home and explain, well, i couldn't go along with the tax cuts for the 98% of americans. that would put them against the middle class, wouldn't it? >> yeah. i mean, imagine on friday, when they're all sitting around the table, and the president says, hey, fellas, you know, you're going to be responsible for raising taxes on middle class americans. and if you fail to agree to this top 1% or top 2% tax increase that we're asking for, you go out. the microphones are in the
that's the struggle that john boehner's having right now. but it will further define the republican party. and if they can't come to grips with a balanced deal, where you're asking the wealthiest in the country, who have made so much money over the last decade, then that really shows what kind of party they are. and this is about the values that we hold as americans, ed. this is not about numbers. this is about values. >> well, you know, when you look at the way this is setting up, this...
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the congressional leaders, boehner, reid, pelosi, mcconnell, were optimistic but cautious about a deal. here they are at the stakeout. >> to show our seriousness, we have put revenue on the table as long as it's accompanied by significant spending cuts. >> we have the cornerstones of being able to work something out. we're both going to have to give up some of the things that we know are a problem. >> we should have a goal in terms of how much deficit reduction. we should have a deadline before christmas. we should show some milestones of success so that confidence can build. >> we're prepared to put revenue on the table provided we fix the real problem. >> the real problem. you got that? mcconnell is always the tree stump on the lawn when you're trying to cut it. this afternoon the president held his fourth and final meetings with stakeholders, civic leaders, and members of civic organizations. marc morial is president of the urban league, he was at the afternoon meeting as was aaron smith is cofounder of a group called young invincibles dedicated to ensuring that young people's persp
the congressional leaders, boehner, reid, pelosi, mcconnell, were optimistic but cautious about a deal. here they are at the stakeout. >> to show our seriousness, we have put revenue on the table as long as it's accompanied by significant spending cuts. >> we have the cornerstones of being able to work something out. we're both going to have to give up some of the things that we know are a problem. >> we should have a goal in terms of how much deficit reduction. we should have...